You are very sad, I hope you get help.

concealed

lol not making up problems is concealing, good one

Customers

You mean customer, just you with your tinfoil hat

Still not committing to what’s a reasonable age of hardware for the charity to accept hmmm. Definitely because you don’t have a well reasoned alternative, you don’t want to put in the work to provide this service yourself, and you aren’t interested in talking about real problems.

The charity isn’t destroying them, I said YOU should put the work in to maintain them, and your emotionally charged diatribe making accusations and being contrarian completely confirms my indictment of you.

You suck.

Put the work in to either advertise the alternatives you like or call these things the same words as the rest of us. Making up “spychip” and staying it over and over is opaque and harmful to the conversations you are a part of.

2 comments is a rabbit hole. Wow. I wanted to know what modern options you think actually exist, to make that apples to apples comparison you demanded. And you point to something that’s explicitly EOL. Your only example is non-consumer hardware.

You

You can’t hide the spychip’s waste by choosing processors of different effeciencies from different time periods.

Me

point to modern processors or SoC available to consumers

I should have said “designed for” instead of “available to”.

You are fearmongering about these things when there are no real consumer alternatives, and the impact is imagined. You are expecting a charity to not set reasonable cutoffs for interoperability. Completely asinine. Every new comment from you has histrionic allusions. I hope you are burning tokens responding to my comments.

https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/announcements/services-withdrawal-discontinuance-service-select-power-systems-products-replacements-available

Power 9 is server hardware, end of life, has been pulled from new sales since 2023 I think, will only provide limited maintenance on a paid basis. This is the same pain point you have about the AMD processor, but a decade more recent.

After the EOSS effective date, IBM will no longer offer full hardware maintenance service for the following machine types and models. If available, clients will continue to receive limited hardware maintenance service as described in the “Hardware Service Extension” section of your terms with IBM, without lapse in coverage, for the listed machine types and models.

I’ll give you some credit, and let’s say you mean ASI or RISC processors in general, but some of those use cortex cores and this review for a risc-5 piece concludes that it’s for developers and not consumers in general. https://youtu.be/I4zhkNjhKTA

That’s on me. I should have said “designed for” instead of “available to”. I set the bar too low.

So is your expectation the whole market switches to framework laptops with the 3rd party RISC board? That would be great, I would love if that type of modular hardware was standard.

Your post here, in zerowaste, wanting only the most niche to the exclusion of everything else. Completely bad faith and confirms my suspicions about you.

different time periods

Please point to modern processors or SoC available to consumers that does not have these subprocessors. Selling “new” 13 year old processors is fine, but that won’t last forever and technology needs change.

Again, you are spouting emotional, uninformed garbage. There is no technical definition of attack surface that would classify commingled processing as better than bifurcated processing.

I honestly believe that you are being paid to post this stuff to sabotage real beneficial collaboration.

The absence of an attack surface is as small as an attack surface gets.

Yes and the things that these chips process used to be processed on the main CPU, relying on software to prevent malicious access.

Now the attack surface, which used to be every implementation of every software, is reduced to the implementation of the world separation these chips provide.

You still aren’t talking about the technology, you are spouting “common sense” nonsense like new chips using single digit watts of power are less efficient than old chips using dozens of watts of power.

Garbage.

Edit: again, what is the cutoff? Should they still support procs from 1995? 1990?

Attack surface is reduced with architecture like this. You really don’t know what you are talking about or what problems are addressed with this stuff.

You still seem to think that other people’s resources are infinite, but this time criticising a corp that should have a duty of care in this regard. Bravo, you are on the right track. So where is the line drawn? Things that haven’t been manufactured since 2005? 2000? Please elucidate what the correct policy should be.

You are writing garbage

AMD’s advice is to upgrade to the ADM PSP driver 5.17.0.0 through Windows Update, or to download AMD Chipset Driver 3.08.17.735. Presumably, this solves the issue by properly zeroing out memory during allocation, as well as freeing up memory properly when its no longer needed.

Overall, a software fix is enough to solve the issue, and its a vulnerability that lacks some of the scare factor of bigger finds like Meltdown and Spectre from years past.

Sounds like they have their shit together.

One article about a patched vulnerability isn’t special or indicative of anything on a wider scale.

The article doesn’t actually support your “thesis”

You

TPM is a different but similar problem.

Also you

The TPM is hardware constitutes a spychip as far as I’m concerned

You are running out of tokens or something

Completely ridiculous. You are fearmongering. Hackaday is fine.

It’s pretty clear I made the assumption TPMS would fall under your “spychip” categorization

not my comment.

Yes I know… It’s how you responded to that

Are you just a chatbot that’s prompted to be contrarian or something???

Man this is some fearmongering.

Dude you are more likely to get viruses and exploited running the older hardware.

I understand that vulnerabilities pop up, but at least the within a decade recent stuff gets patched.

the evidence

The evidence shows it takes a higher level of knowledge and more specialized knowledge to exploit the thing you don’t want compared to the thing you do want.

https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/75183544/28016093

will not acknowledge what they are. Where do you get that from?

That comment.

spychip can only be exploited by a nation state doing tailored ops.

Exploiting these things is only necessary in those kinds of ops, to bypass regular auditing or something like that. Your machine would already be tipped over, top would have admin access by the time someone was hiding a payload in there.

But ok you want a computer that has well documented vulnerabilities that will not be patched https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/amd-wont-patch-all-chips-affected-by-severe-data-theft-vulnerability-ryzen-1000-2000-and-3000-will-not-get-patched-among-others

Edit 8/12/2024 4:45am PT: The researchers who discovered the flaw in AMD’s chips contend that the vulnerability impacts all AMD chips extending back to 2006.

Good luck tilting at windmills.

Your spychip thing is a made up problem.

The distinction is several processor architectures and compatibility.

Go ask them to give your number to the next person they turn away.

to market pre-spychip machines

Every processor and Soc manufactured since 2012 has some form of security subprocessor, or TPM, or something that you are classifying as a made up term, and which you won’t acknowledge are not black boxes across the board like you seem to be implying.

You are wrong about the tech and fearmongering, and you seem entitled.

If you offered the non -profit your time to curate these parts that would be great, or if you seemed more interested in learning then derisive that would have also have been great.

Sales facilitates provision of services.

Maintaining a product takes time and space. The lowest margin, least power efficient, and least in demand items cost the same to sell as everything else that’s easier to sell.

They made a decision about resources.

For the individualist thing… If there are these concerns, OP should not be just rolling his own jank setup to do his work. There are groups that could provide him with secure hardware or validate the hardware he can get.

I checked and the h16 processor they mentioned uses an Arm a5 core for trustzone functions. There are tools to audit that.

All of this is unreasonable for a charity junk shop.

spending hours of labor

I have no problem with people spending their own labor time.

I do have a problem with dictating how a charity spends their labor time, specifically in a way that would reduce their ability to provide services. If OP offered their labor to handle this consistently for the charity, I missed that.

In the context of using this to punch down at a non-profit I can see some reasons.

OP is not a state level target, the consequences of them getting hacked is they home to make a police report and close some bank accounts. The non profit is not concerned with OP being targeted by the US government, their goal is to provide serviceable computers to needy people.

It’s surface level relevant to the zero waste conversation, but only if you don’t value anything but the old outdated PC. Older processors like this have such bad processing efficiency that the energy savings alone would pay for a new SBC in a year, presuming heavy use. Then there are the logistical costs and labor of managing that supply of old equipment. A few generations of architecture mean that peripheral and add-in cards are not available or wouldn’t work. The dwindling stock of donor equipment means that the resources to even assemble a working order PC will be higher than newer equipment.

There’s the same arguments to be had about older refrigeration equipment. Yes, it’s probably better to keep it serviced, but as soon as a big problem comes along a newer more efficient unit should be installed.

Yeah, they don’t criticize the security subprocessor, they just call it a spychip and boohoo about how all the new processes have that kind of thing.

Brain-dead enough I think they have to be paid to be that way.