Yeah I’m sorry but I already have animals at that point. Our dog has an illness with a 10-20% survival chance in surgery. We’re still deciding on surgery, because the rates have increased in the past few years due to people putting their dogs through surgery. She also has a severely damaged tendon that we went through one surgery on. This dog is the happiest in the world, it doesn’t matter if she’s going to live a shorter life if we don’t get surgery, do you honestly think that she would want to be killed for it?

Think about it this way. If you had an infected hip with a 0% survival rate would you want your family to say you should be put down because of it? Or would you want to spend your time doing fun stuff or maybe going through the surgery to help out science? Dying for no reason is the worst option here. Medically assisted suicide isn’t what we’re talking about here, we’re talking about being killed without a choice in the matter.

For someone claiming others are throwing out strawmen you sure are good at them.

Please allow a world that is just uncaring to all living beings - and some of us are confronted with that more than you apparently are. And no, I’m no longer talking about animals.

I have no clue what this sentence means.

For context here though: I have a chronic condition, my mom died young from a chronic condition. My dog has two chronic conditions, both of my cats have chronic conditions, and my wife has a chronic condition. You are the one bringing suffering into this world by killing dogs that someone else would take care of until their natural death. You are removing happiness from this world and if you think for a second that your dog wants to be put down because of a hip then you do not understand dogs.

I’m willing to bet you crate your animals and I bet you think breed is an indicator of violence too.

I’m done with this conversation.

I’m sorry but I guess I just don’t really believe that. Our animals all have significant health issues and if we hadn’t stuck with them they would have died years ago. I think our animals would rather be with us than be dead, even if they are sometimes in pain, and I think their attitude towards us shows that.

I say this as someone who owns a lot of animals, and who has spent 20k on just our dog in the past year for health issues. A better way of asking this is, would you do the same for your child? A child that can’t talk, but they have a terminal disease. Sure there is a point where you remove life support, but you don’t ever actively kill them.

A final point: you say “medication is not as available”. That will always be the case if people continue to not help their animals in these situations. The medicine will never advance and the costs of treatment will never come down.

I understand this is a parenting thread, but why do you “have to go to the vet and have the cat put down”? Why not just let her die on her own?

lol good point.

Make a pen outside the house, cut a hole in the house to let the cows out, free farm.