Edit (Feel like i need to put this up top): Some of yall think I’m intent on being a deadbeat and that I was in the “100% never want to have kids” boat and reluctantly obliged. It was a much more careful calculation than that and I decided to do it on my own. That was just for contrxt to explain my hesitancy. We planned this shit to a T from start to finish. I’m not asking for anyone to ridicule me for “fucking up”. I’m asking for advice on the situation I’m in because there is no path backwards and I intend to be a baller dad regardless of how I feel about it. There are a lot of emotions you can easily force but this is not one of them. So all the dipshits telling me what I should have done before having this kid can eat a giant bag of used needles. That being said, thank you to all of the normal fucking people who can actually read a situation and offer helpful insight/advice instead of reverting to a bridge troll. I may not respond to all of the comments because of the volume but I am grateful for the support.
New dad of a 3wk old.
I always figured I’d have a kid(s) because…that’s what you do right? My wife pushed me for years and wanted 5 kids. I always said we should start with 1, so here we are. I never truly wanted to have a kid for a whole list of reasons including climate change, growing instability, feeling like I already don’t have time to do the things I want to do, not feeling like I have my shit together (on paper I do, but I don’t feel like that), not understanding what it means to be “happy”…stuff like that.
During pregnancy, I took on essentially all household chores and made her hot breakfast before she left for work every morning at 5am. I never felt some primal compulsion to do all of this but she was struggling and I wanted to do what I could. I kept saying to myself that the paternal instinct would kick in at some point and banked on that.
When the kid was born and I held him for the first time, I felt nothing. Figured it would happen in time. 3 weeks in, I’m still on overdrive, doing essentially all chores, changing/feeding him through the night, and still feeling nothing besides growing resentment. I’m not a monster so I won’t shake the kid or anything but I just feel no desire to do any of this. I always hated the sound of kids crying and wanted this kid to be different in that respect but I still hate it and my blood starts to boil the longer he cries (again, I’m not going to hurt this kid. I’m not a violent person).
The only pressure I feel to keep going is to not get arrested for neglect, and so my family/friends/colleagues dont think im a giant piece of shit. I feel no compulsion out of love for this child. I’ve had no “my whole world changed and I’d die for this kid” moment other than the fact that people would be real upset with me if I didn’t die for him.
My wife has been struggling and I’m trying to get her to seek additional help (already sees therapist every 2 weeks) but she frequently spirals into a place where she feels like she can’t do it or feels like a failure for not doing enough or direct breast feeding because he wouldn’t stay awake while feeding (she’s pumping like a champ. Our freezer has a gallon of milk already and im constantly playing up her wins). I keep doing what I can to calm her fears and anxieties which aren’t specifically new but now have new context. I feel like if I break down at all, she won’t be able to handle it and I have to constantly keep the mood/morale up because if I don’t, everything will go to even deeper shit. She’s the one who wanted 5 kids and I’m now the one holding it together for us. I feel like the TikTok/Instagram virus tricked her into thinking that motherhood was all beautiful flowers and spending quality time with her perfect baby but it’s a lot of gross shit and hard work from recovery to breast feeding/pumping and diapers (although I’m changing 90% of the diapers). I was not nieve to any of this. I knew what it entailed.
Anyway, I’m starting to wonder if I’ll ever feel any compulsion to keep going like I am aside from legal and societal pressure. I can figure it out if it will never happen, but it would make things a whole lot easier if it did. I really want to love this kid and being a dad but at this point it’s a job and I hate my job even though I’m killing it in the effort game. Literally the only good thing so far is that my mom is over the moon about the kid and it’s the first time I’ve seen her happy since my dad died 2 yrs ago.
It gets better, I really didn’t connect with my oldest until he was almost 9 months. It’s tough now with the lack of sleep and all the other stuff that comes with a newborn.
Y’all both got a lot going on, and yes, should have worked on it before kids, but here y’all are.
When we had our first kid (12 now), I really struggled with the emotional connection piece for weeks. It’s common. I don’t think I had a strong emotional connection until she was like 2 or something. I had bad anger issues, dealing with my own depression & BS. But, she’s 12 now.
With our second, the emotions for her came faster. I was in less stress, more established career wise, but my wife struggled more with postpartum. She never struggled with depression and finally found herself going through feelings of inadequacy & feeling like a failure. She got on meds, made a big difference, and it eventually worked out with her getting off of them.
Our third kid was significantly easier for both of us. We had different struggles, but it wasn’t kid related.
I know where you are mentally. You need to find a healthy outlet for the resentment and then come back to what you have now, someone dependent on you.
You can/could be a deadbeat or absent, but you may be a better parent for a different age. My wife was great with little ones (0-2). I did much better with toddlers and young kids (3-8). We’re both getting used to tweens.
I know it might be a financial strain, but you should both seek therapy. This isn’t a pejorative (as is “You’re so messed up!”), but therapy can help significantly, especially your partner. She may want to consider a psych.
Good luck. For me, the first few weeks were the worst. No sleep, just doing shit on auto-pilot like “why the f*ck did we do this…?” But my kids have brought incredible joy in my life. I wouldn’t want them to disappear now, no matter how much work it is some days.
I guess the best thing to do would be to publish your experiences to other people. You’re in this now, but you can prevent others from making the same choices if you inform them about what it entails. That will make you feel better because you’re contributing sth to the world. :)
Disclaimer: I don’t have kids. Feel free to ignore.
As far as I know, this is not that rare. Maybe you could go a more practical route. It’s not obligatory to have lots of instincts kick in, but it is expected that you take care of the kid. It is however likely that after a while that you’ll get some neat experiences with the kid. Funny episodes. After a while they might even turn into a good friend.
I too dont have any kids but to me, this is a key point in a relationship. You not wanting kids and her wanting 5 maybe should have been a flag before having kids
That said, it is what it is, and you are in it now so get the best out of it
There are pris and cons to having kids. Try to focus on the good things
I have a 7 year old and can tell you your feelings are justified and not entirely unique. Father’s have issues bonding and it takes time, at 3 weeks all the thing does is shit, eat, and sleep. Good on you for helping your wife with her post pardum and she continue to seek help with that. If it all begins to feel overwhelming, you should seek help too because men can also have post pardum, especially if the resentment builds and you begin having negative thoughts about neglecting the child.
All in all, the only thing I can really recommend is that you trudge through, lean on your wife a little more, she can probably take it, especially if you open up to her about your struggles. Sleep deprivation is a form of torture for a reason, but kids to begin to sleep better and have more of an emotional connection in the 3-6 month range.
I really want to love this kid and being a dad but at this point it’s a job and I hate my job even though I’m killing it in the effort game.
You will love your kid, don’t worry about that. Maybe you already do. There is no ah-ha moment, so it’s hard to tell. It’s not the same feeling as loving a significant other or a parent. It’s something else entirely and you’ve never experienced it before, you probably don’t realize you have it. My wife was the same way, took her a bit, but she loves it now.
You are killing it in the effort game. You’ve done an amazing job so far. Frankly, if what you say is true, you’re making most of us look pretty bad, myself included. Be proud. Also get your mom to help. From an evolutionary perspective, that’s what grandmas are for, so don’t feel bad asking for help.
I never truly wanted to have a kid for a whole list of reasons including climate change, growing instability, feeling like I already don’t have time to do the things I want to do, not feeling like I have my shit together (on paper I do, but I don’t feel like that), not understanding what it means to be “happy”…stuff like that.
First, you’re exactly the type of person who should be having a kid. So many intelligent, good, empathetic, introspective people choose not to have kids because of the reasons you listed, but let’s be honest, they’re scared little bitches. You’re not one of them anymore. You have a living, breathing stake in the future and you have your shit together because you had a kid on purpose. Could your shit be more together? Perhaps. Does it need to be? No. Your shit is good enough. People in worse situations have kids and it works out.
If you and people like you didn’t have kids, then the only people having kids would be… bad. It would be bad and we can’t have that. So thank you, there will now likely be another good, intelligent, empathetic, and introspective person to take your place someday.
Second, I don’t know what it means to be happy either but I don’t care. I think that makes me happy in some way. But who knows, all I know is I’m not sad, and that’s good enough for me.
Third, you’ll be able to do the things you want to do. Things are a bit busy at the moment but as others have said it’ll get easier. Your wife will continue to recover (but beware post partium depression) and your kid will get more and more capable. It happens fast.
Lastly, ask yourself why the crying bothers you so much? If it’s just the volume, then wear ear protection. That helped me. If it’s not the volume, then what is it?
I feel like things get much better once your kid is potty trained. At that point you no longer have to deal with poop and your kid is old enough to be more fun/human.
One thing that I feel hasn’t been addressed enough by the comments:
**Stay. The hell. Away. From. Social. Media. **
It is toxic, and will bring nothing but misery, jealousy, and insecurity.
We had ours late in life, so had the hindsight of having our circle of friends going through parenthood before us. You mentioned ‘social’ pressure, norms, expectations, etc. All of them are amplified 10x by social media, which presents an unrealistic, curated view of parenthood. Not to mention the 50 different ‘advice’ on what you ‘should’ do as a parent. (You should breastfeed or your baby will be a serial killer. No, just start with formula, it will make your life easier. No, you should give them organic goat milk to help them grow better).
We deleted all the apps just before the baby was born. It has now been a few years since we touched any of them (except FB Marketplace, because buying anything new is ridiculous. And, I guess, Lemmy). The only pictures you’ll find of our little one is in our family chat group. The only advice we’ll take are from the midwives and nurses that keep track of the baby’s growth, and has a 24h hotline for us to ask literally anything.
People you know, including parents, will give unsolicited advice. Feel free to listen to them, but know that most of the time you can tell them off or ignore them. This is your baby. Your family.
And feel free to ignore this advice from a stranger on Lemmy 🙂
I always hated the sound of kids crying and wanted this kid to be different in that respect but I still hate it and my blood starts to boil the longer he cries (again, I’m not going to hurt this kid. I’m not a violent person).
I had similar feelings. There were a few times where I wasn’t in a good place emotionally, so I made sure the screaming kid was safe, closed the door, and took five to calm down. Then I opened the door and did what I could to help the baby.
I didn’t think I was a person who got angry/frustrated that easily, but yeah, a screaming kid can have that effect.
Not necessarily at 3 weeks, it is so intensely stressful at the start. Crying is designed to make you feel upset, that is what it evolved for, so that you would check on the baby.
I did feel love for the newborns, but they aren’t fun or anything, they are just babies. You were the same at the start of your life.
Can your wife visit a lactation consultant? I remember my kids falling asleep nursing, is that not normal? They nurse, fall asleep, wake up and are happy for awhile, then cry, nurse, and fall asleep, that’s the whole newborn cycle. I don’t think that means they aren’t getting enough, of the baby was that hungry he’d stay awake long enough to eat enough and remember, the milk in the first few moments has the most fat & calories.
Basically - I would not trust your feelings right now, while sleep deprived and stressed. You may enjoy the baby when it is more enjoyable. Like 2-3 years old is blistering cute, and then they are learning so much you can see it happening, and teenagers are fun and keep you aware of pop culture.
I don’t remember my mom being, well, mom-ish, not very nice when we were little, we weren’t neglected at all she was just never close with us. I asked her about it when I was grown and she said “I don’t like kids.” And I was like “WTF, you had so many kids!” And she said “Well, I like you all now, I knew you’d grow up, you don’t have kids to have kids but to raise people.”. And I guess she has a point. It’s nicer to enjoy the ride, I did, but she didn’t and we were ok.
I didn’t feel that bad, but certainly when my kid could talk and understand things got a lot nicer. You could understand specifically what the kid wants and the kid can learn some patience and half more fun in a way that’s vaguely fun for the parents too.
You might want to talk to a mental health professional as well, but I’d not be too worried about not enjoying being around a 3 week old.
Oh also, at least for me, from about 2 years old all the effort was well worth it. Happiest times of my life. Cherish the time before they start asserting independence as a teenager. Still good times for me, but certainly different …
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Probably also should wonder if the child will enjoy any part of its life. Being born is a consentless act.
It gets better, I really didn’t connect with my oldest until he was almost 9 months. It’s tough now with the lack of sleep and all the other stuff that comes with a newborn.
Antidepressants changed my life. Please ask a doctor for the form awe if your qualify
This was my first thought. This sounds like more of an issue for a shrink than Lemmy.
Y’all both got a lot going on, and yes, should have worked on it before kids, but here y’all are.
I know where you are mentally. You need to find a healthy outlet for the resentment and then come back to what you have now, someone dependent on you.
You can/could be a deadbeat or absent, but you may be a better parent for a different age. My wife was great with little ones (0-2). I did much better with toddlers and young kids (3-8). We’re both getting used to tweens.
I know it might be a financial strain, but you should both seek therapy. This isn’t a pejorative (as is “You’re so messed up!”), but therapy can help significantly, especially your partner. She may want to consider a psych.
Good luck. For me, the first few weeks were the worst. No sleep, just doing shit on auto-pilot like “why the f*ck did we do this…?” But my kids have brought incredible joy in my life. I wouldn’t want them to disappear now, no matter how much work it is some days.
I guess the best thing to do would be to publish your experiences to other people. You’re in this now, but you can prevent others from making the same choices if you inform them about what it entails. That will make you feel better because you’re contributing sth to the world. :)
Disclaimer: I don’t have kids. Feel free to ignore.
As far as I know, this is not that rare. Maybe you could go a more practical route. It’s not obligatory to have lots of instincts kick in, but it is expected that you take care of the kid. It is however likely that after a while that you’ll get some neat experiences with the kid. Funny episodes. After a while they might even turn into a good friend.
Anyway. Hats off to you. Good luck
I too dont have any kids but to me, this is a key point in a relationship. You not wanting kids and her wanting 5 maybe should have been a flag before having kids
That said, it is what it is, and you are in it now so get the best out of it
There are pris and cons to having kids. Try to focus on the good things
I have a 7 year old and can tell you your feelings are justified and not entirely unique. Father’s have issues bonding and it takes time, at 3 weeks all the thing does is shit, eat, and sleep. Good on you for helping your wife with her post pardum and she continue to seek help with that. If it all begins to feel overwhelming, you should seek help too because men can also have post pardum, especially if the resentment builds and you begin having negative thoughts about neglecting the child.
All in all, the only thing I can really recommend is that you trudge through, lean on your wife a little more, she can probably take it, especially if you open up to her about your struggles. Sleep deprivation is a form of torture for a reason, but kids to begin to sleep better and have more of an emotional connection in the 3-6 month range.
Good luck.
If somebody doesn’t want kids, they should never let anyone talk them into it.
I don’t want kids and I always get weird looks from family and friends but I don’t care.
Situation in the world is terrible and on top of that I know that I wouldn’t be a good parent.
You will love your kid, don’t worry about that. Maybe you already do. There is no ah-ha moment, so it’s hard to tell. It’s not the same feeling as loving a significant other or a parent. It’s something else entirely and you’ve never experienced it before, you probably don’t realize you have it. My wife was the same way, took her a bit, but she loves it now.
You are killing it in the effort game. You’ve done an amazing job so far. Frankly, if what you say is true, you’re making most of us look pretty bad, myself included. Be proud. Also get your mom to help. From an evolutionary perspective, that’s what grandmas are for, so don’t feel bad asking for help.
First, you’re exactly the type of person who should be having a kid. So many intelligent, good, empathetic, introspective people choose not to have kids because of the reasons you listed, but let’s be honest, they’re scared little bitches. You’re not one of them anymore. You have a living, breathing stake in the future and you have your shit together because you had a kid on purpose. Could your shit be more together? Perhaps. Does it need to be? No. Your shit is good enough. People in worse situations have kids and it works out.
If you and people like you didn’t have kids, then the only people having kids would be… bad. It would be bad and we can’t have that. So thank you, there will now likely be another good, intelligent, empathetic, and introspective person to take your place someday.
Second, I don’t know what it means to be happy either but I don’t care. I think that makes me happy in some way. But who knows, all I know is I’m not sad, and that’s good enough for me.
Third, you’ll be able to do the things you want to do. Things are a bit busy at the moment but as others have said it’ll get easier. Your wife will continue to recover (but beware post partium depression) and your kid will get more and more capable. It happens fast.
Lastly, ask yourself why the crying bothers you so much? If it’s just the volume, then wear ear protection. That helped me. If it’s not the volume, then what is it?
I feel like things get much better once your kid is potty trained. At that point you no longer have to deal with poop and your kid is old enough to be more fun/human.
One thing that I feel hasn’t been addressed enough by the comments:
**Stay. The hell. Away. From. Social. Media. **
It is toxic, and will bring nothing but misery, jealousy, and insecurity.
We had ours late in life, so had the hindsight of having our circle of friends going through parenthood before us. You mentioned ‘social’ pressure, norms, expectations, etc. All of them are amplified 10x by social media, which presents an unrealistic, curated view of parenthood. Not to mention the 50 different ‘advice’ on what you ‘should’ do as a parent. (You should breastfeed or your baby will be a serial killer. No, just start with formula, it will make your life easier. No, you should give them organic goat milk to help them grow better).
We deleted all the apps just before the baby was born. It has now been a few years since we touched any of them (except FB Marketplace, because buying anything new is ridiculous. And, I guess, Lemmy). The only pictures you’ll find of our little one is in our family chat group. The only advice we’ll take are from the midwives and nurses that keep track of the baby’s growth, and has a 24h hotline for us to ask literally anything.
People you know, including parents, will give unsolicited advice. Feel free to listen to them, but know that most of the time you can tell them off or ignore them. This is your baby. Your family.
And feel free to ignore this advice from a stranger on Lemmy 🙂
I had similar feelings. There were a few times where I wasn’t in a good place emotionally, so I made sure the screaming kid was safe, closed the door, and took five to calm down. Then I opened the door and did what I could to help the baby.
I didn’t think I was a person who got angry/frustrated that easily, but yeah, a screaming kid can have that effect.
Not necessarily at 3 weeks, it is so intensely stressful at the start. Crying is designed to make you feel upset, that is what it evolved for, so that you would check on the baby.
I did feel love for the newborns, but they aren’t fun or anything, they are just babies. You were the same at the start of your life.
Can your wife visit a lactation consultant? I remember my kids falling asleep nursing, is that not normal? They nurse, fall asleep, wake up and are happy for awhile, then cry, nurse, and fall asleep, that’s the whole newborn cycle. I don’t think that means they aren’t getting enough, of the baby was that hungry he’d stay awake long enough to eat enough and remember, the milk in the first few moments has the most fat & calories.
Basically - I would not trust your feelings right now, while sleep deprived and stressed. You may enjoy the baby when it is more enjoyable. Like 2-3 years old is blistering cute, and then they are learning so much you can see it happening, and teenagers are fun and keep you aware of pop culture.
I don’t remember my mom being, well, mom-ish, not very nice when we were little, we weren’t neglected at all she was just never close with us. I asked her about it when I was grown and she said “I don’t like kids.” And I was like “WTF, you had so many kids!” And she said “Well, I like you all now, I knew you’d grow up, you don’t have kids to have kids but to raise people.”. And I guess she has a point. It’s nicer to enjoy the ride, I did, but she didn’t and we were ok.
I didn’t feel that bad, but certainly when my kid could talk and understand things got a lot nicer. You could understand specifically what the kid wants and the kid can learn some patience and half more fun in a way that’s vaguely fun for the parents too.
You might want to talk to a mental health professional as well, but I’d not be too worried about not enjoying being around a 3 week old.
Oh also, at least for me, from about 2 years old all the effort was well worth it. Happiest times of my life. Cherish the time before they start asserting independence as a teenager. Still good times for me, but certainly different …